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Message 7011 - Posted: 2 May 2017, 19:26:16 UTC

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this message showed up in my notices
Citizen Science Grid: Notice from BOINC
This project is using an old URL. When convenient, remove the project, then add https://csgrid.org/csg/
02/05/2017 18:02:52

is this correct?
when this came on Climate predictions i did as it asked and boinc shows my figures as nil and as been trying to update for about a week.

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Message 7014 - Posted: 2 May 2017, 20:21:53 UTC - in response to Message 7011.

hello
this message showed up in my notices
Citizen Science Grid: Notice from BOINC
This project is using an old URL. When convenient, remove the project, then add https://csgrid.org/csg/
02/05/2017 18:02:52

is this correct?
when this came on Climate predictions i did as it asked and boinc shows my figures as nil and as been trying to update for about a week.


That's correct. The URL used to be http://volunteer.cs.und.edu/csg and now it's https://csgrid.org/csg/

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Message 7021 - Posted: 3 May 2017, 1:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 7014.
Last modified: 3 May 2017, 1:49:55 UTC

hello
this message showed up in my notices
Citizen Science Grid: Notice from BOINC
This project is using an old URL. When convenient, remove the project, then add https://csgrid.org/csg/
02/05/2017 18:02:52

is this correct?
when this came on Climate predictions i did as it asked and boinc shows my figures as nil and as been trying to update for about a week.


That's correct. The URL used to be http://volunteer.cs.und.edu/csg and now it's https://csgrid.org/csg/

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well, Yes but not quite...
The problem is that the BOINC client has the non-secure web address when you add the CCG from BOINC >options> add a project.
The Boinc info is: [ http://csgrid.org/csg/ which is wrong and needs to be changed.
The correct info should be: https://csgrid.org/csg/ *(with the s)
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Even your own website has the wrong (non-secure) address listed.
see the instructions at... https://csgrid.org/csg/instructions.php

Volunteer Computing (BOINC) Instructions

If you're already running BOINC, select Attach to Project. If not, download, install and run BOINC.
When prompted, enter http://csgrid.org/csg/

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Message 7022 - Posted: 3 May 2017, 12:40:58 UTC

Due to me running a couple of older clients (6.12.x), I wont be switching to the https web address as it does not work on the older clients without a lot of mucking around to try and make it work, plus I will lose all my work trying to do the change anyway.
My newer clients (7.4.x and 7.6.x) don't have that problem.

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Message 7026 - Posted: 4 May 2017, 0:16:00 UTC - in response to Message 7022.

I realize now that it is a BOINC thang.
The people who are bothered by the message have to: complete WU's, remove CSG and re-add CSG using the htpps to stop the Bionc client notices.

Not likely that Boinc will change it as all the work done there is free volunteer.
CSG could only ask BOINC "freelance&freepay developers" to put the https addy in the client program list. and include the https also on the joining instructions.

So it's a non starter... not likely to get fixed by BOINC.
Possibly a waste of time and effort for CSG to worry about any changes other than a warning on the start page... certainly seems like there must be more important stuff to do :)

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Message 7027 - Posted: 4 May 2017, 5:01:23 UTC

Well it is now a problem for me as I am getting an "http" error when trying to return finished work u nits on my windows machine with BOINC Client 6.12.x.
So from this I can assume that the upload server is now "https" and my computer is trying to upload to "http" as this was the information it had when the work was downloaded.

The work units are

EXACT MNIST Convolutional Neural Network Trainer 2.0 (exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4)
(Run Time 55.06 Hours)
EXACT MNIST Batch CNN Trainer 2.0 0.24 (exact_genome_14935950115_17_1031_2)
(Run Time 3.53 Hours)

I don't want to lose this work, so how can I return it and get credited?

The CNN work unit has been stuck for a number of days and deadline is 5/5/17

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Message 7031 - Posted: 4 May 2017, 11:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 7027.

Well it is now a problem for me as I am getting an "http" error when trying to return finished work u nits on my windows machine with BOINC Client 6.12.x.
So from this I can assume that the upload server is now "https" and my computer is trying to upload to "http" as this was the information it had when the work was downloaded.

The work units are

EXACT MNIST Convolutional Neural Network Trainer 2.0 (exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4)
(Run Time 55.06 Hours)
EXACT MNIST Batch CNN Trainer 2.0 0.24 (exact_genome_14935950115_17_1031_2)
(Run Time 3.53 Hours)

I don't want to lose this work, so how can I return it and get credited?

The CNN work unit has been stuck for a number of days and deadline is 5/5/17

Conan


As I am also unable to upload or download any new work or even talk to the project since the 1/5/17, I will have to resign myself to the fact that I have lost 60+ hours of computing time + associated credit.
I also have to retire this computer from this project, if I can't talk to the project then I can't do anything for that project.

I really like this project but my computer is blocked and can't communicate. It has no problems with other projects so I will just have to do them instead.

This is Windows XP and BOINC Client 6.12.43.

I have a few reasons why it has not been upgraded past this level, one reason was 7+ clients crashed and would not work.

For some reason my Linux 6.12.41 is not having an issue with "https" and has continued to work, maybe it is an Windows XP thing? I don't know.

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Message 7032 - Posted: 5 May 2017, 2:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 7031.
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Well it is now a problem for me as I am getting an "http" error when trying to return finished work u nits on my windows machine with BOINC Client 6.12.x.
So from this I can assume that the upload server is now "https" and my computer is trying to upload to "http" as this was the information it had when the work was downloaded.

The work units are

EXACT MNIST Convolutional Neural Network Trainer 2.0 (exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4)
(Run Time 55.06 Hours)
EXACT MNIST Batch CNN Trainer 2.0 0.24 (exact_genome_14935950115_17_1031_2)
(Run Time 3.53 Hours)

I don't want to lose this work, so how can I return it and get credited?

The CNN work unit has been stuck for a number of days and deadline is 5/5/17

Conan


As I am also unable to upload or download any new work or even talk to the project since the 1/5/17, I will have to resign myself to the fact that I have lost 60+ hours of computing time + associated credit.
I also have to retire this computer from this project, if I can't talk to the project then I can't do anything for that project.

I really like this project but my computer is blocked and can't communicate. It has no problems with other projects so I will just have to do them instead.

This is Windows XP and BOINC Client 6.12.43.

I have a few reasons why it has not been upgraded past this level, one reason was 7+ clients crashed and would not work.

For some reason my Linux 6.12.41 is not having an issue with "https" and has continued to work, maybe it is an Windows XP thing? I don't know.

Conan


Took a punt as I reckon I have probably lost these work units anyway, and "upgraded" to BOINC 7.0.25.
This has made little difference as I now get the error message
[error] No URL for file transfer of exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4
[error] Can't initialize file transfer of exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4
same for the other WU I am trying to upload.
Also I get that there is a Transient HTTP error on trying to upload as well.

So now I might as well go up another level to 7.2.25, as I have that on my computer, and see if it works.

EDIT: Well that didn't work either, got rid of the first lot of error messages but still has the transient HTTP error happening.

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Message 7033 - Posted: 5 May 2017, 4:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 7032.

Well it is now a problem for me as I am getting an "http" error when trying to return finished work u nits on my windows machine with BOINC Client 6.12.x.
So from this I can assume that the upload server is now "https" and my computer is trying to upload to "http" as this was the information it had when the work was downloaded.

The work units are

EXACT MNIST Convolutional Neural Network Trainer 2.0 (exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4)
(Run Time 55.06 Hours)
EXACT MNIST Batch CNN Trainer 2.0 0.24 (exact_genome_14935950115_17_1031_2)
(Run Time 3.53 Hours)


I don't want to lose this work, so how can I return it and get credited?

The CNN work unit has been stuck for a number of days and deadline is 5/5/17

Conan


As I am also unable to upload or download any new work or even talk to the project since the 1/5/17, I will have to resign myself to the fact that I have lost 60+ hours of computing time + associated credit.
I also have to retire this computer from this project, if I can't talk to the project then I can't do anything for that project.

I really like this project but my computer is blocked and can't communicate. It has no problems with other projects so I will just have to do them instead.

This is Windows XP and BOINC Client 6.12.43.

I have a few reasons why it has not been upgraded past this level, one reason was 7+ clients crashed and would not work.

For some reason my Linux 6.12.41 is not having an issue with "https" and has continued to work, maybe it is an Windows XP thing? I don't know.

Conan


Took a punt as I reckon I have probably lost these work units anyway, and "upgraded" to BOINC 7.0.25.
This has made little difference as I now get the error message
[error] No URL for file transfer of exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4
[error] Can't initialize file transfer of exact_genome_1492919102_6_5691_4
same for the other WU I am trying to upload.
Also I get that there is a Transient HTTP error on trying to upload as well.

So now I might as well go up another level to 7.2.25, as I have that on my computer, and see if it works.

EDIT: Well that didn't work either, got rid of the first lot of error messages but still has the transient HTTP error happening.

Conan


Well that didn't work either, "upgraded" from 7.2.25 to 7.4.25 and I still can't upload. download, or talk to the project, still getting "transient HTTP error" when trying to upload and contact the project.

When I update the project I get "Scheduler request failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Project communication failed".

So after changing from 6.12.43 which I was quite happy with, to 7.4.25 which has a few quirks I don't like but will now have to put up with them, nothing much has changed.
I am still going to lose my work as the only solution seems to be a Detach the Re-attach, to get things going, and then it might not work.

I have noted the work units above so Travis might be able to do something, but I doubt it.

I have still been running that work unit that mysteriously disappeared from my account listing and has been running for 15 Days 9 hours, with 5 Days 4 hours to go and only 74.834% completed.
I will now also abort that one (WU EXACT MNIST Convolutional Neural Network Trainer 0.20, exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3).

So I am going to now lose over 18 Days of computations due to things beyond my control, very disappointing and frustrating.

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Message 7034 - Posted: 5 May 2017, 4:53:41 UTC
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Well that's me out, I did all the things I really did not want to do, such as upgrading BOINC and aborting work units, resetting the project, detaching and re-attaching the project using both HTTP and HTTPS and I still can't talk to the project at all.
Scheduler Request Failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Project communications failed

Every thing was working fine up till the 1/5/17 when I suspect the SSL thing happened and now this computer can no longer run this project.
I had changed nothing up till then so it was nothing at this end.
Now I have changed heaps trying to get things working again but all to no avail.

The only thing I have not done is reboot the computer so I will try that and see what happens.

EDIT: Nope, no good, reboot failed to do anything and I still get the same error messages, so no more CSG for this computer.
It seems perhaps that Windows XP is no longer supported by this project or the SSL certificate is being rejected, but I have no errors of that.

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Message 7035 - Posted: 5 May 2017, 6:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 7034.

Well that's me out, I did all the things I really did not want to do, such as upgrading BOINC and aborting work units, resetting the project, detaching and re-attaching the project using both HTTP and HTTPS and I still can't talk to the project at all.
Scheduler Request Failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Project communications failed

Every thing was working fine up till the 1/5/17 when I suspect the SSL thing happened and now this computer can no longer run this project.
I had changed nothing up till then so it was nothing at this end.
Now I have changed heaps trying to get things working again but all to no avail.

The only thing I have not done is reboot the computer so I will try that and see what happens.

EDIT: Nope, no good, reboot failed to do anything and I still get the same error messages, so no more CSG for this computer.
It seems perhaps that Windows XP is no longer supported by this project or the SSL certificate is being rejected, but I have no errors of that.

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Tried another Windows XP computer and tried to connect to this project and it gives the same errors, still could be and SSL certificate issue but not looking good for XP.

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Message 7036 - Posted: 5 May 2017, 17:29:42 UTC - in response to Message 7035.

@Conan yes, this is likely, XP is not supported by MS for long time. Consider switching to Linux, especially when your CPU is 64 bit - 64 bit apps usually works faster than their 32 bit counterparts, thanks to more CPU registers available for them.
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Message 7040 - Posted: 6 May 2017, 5:52:46 UTC

Hi.

It was not a XP problem. I had exact the same problems like Conen and tried the same solutions. But nothing helped.
My System work with Win7 + Boinc 7.6.33 (64). Upload of finished work was not possible. Meanwhile I got a timeout for that WUs. So I lost some work.

Last night something changed. I don’t know what, but the communication between the project and Boinc is back.

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Message 7041 - Posted: 6 May 2017, 8:22:25 UTC

Damn. Too early pleased.

I had a connection few hours ago. I got new WUs. But now the communication is gone again. I can’t upload the finished. Once more I wasted time and resources. It is sensless. I stop supporting that project till the problem ist solved.

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Message 7054 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 12:59:38 UTC

I am still wondering if some light can be shed on this problem of mine.

I have done the resetting thing, detaching and re-attaching thing (many times), upgrading BOINC Client but still noting is working on this Windows XP computer. All other projects are fine.

I have tried a number of anti-virus settings but I am still getting the error message

Scheduler Request Failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Project communications failed


My computer can still no longer talk to the project, since the 1/5/17, about that SSL time of change.

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Message 7057 - Posted: 15 May 2017, 22:57:24 UTC - in response to Message 7054.

I am still wondering if some light can be shed on this problem of mine.

I have done the resetting thing, detaching and re-attaching thing (many times), upgrading BOINC Client but still noting is working on this Windows XP computer. All other projects are fine.

I have tried a number of anti-virus settings but I am still getting the error message

Scheduler Request Failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Project communications failed


My computer can still no longer talk to the project, since the 1/5/17, about that SSL time of change.

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Can your other machines talk to the server fine?

Have you tried resetting your router or something like that? I'm thinking it maybe a firewall issue. It sounds like it's not getting any communication with the server at all.

When you connect are you using: https://csgrid.org/csg or [b]http[/b://]csgrid.org/csg ? It may also be an issue with it not being able to connect to http because the server is set up for secure HTTP now. (You should be connecting via https).

Just some ideas.

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Message 7059 - Posted: 16 May 2017, 0:23:38 UTC
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Thanks for the reply Travis,
Have tried both, it does not matter. Have also gone through my anti-virus to see if it is getting blocked but can't find anything. Boinc is now 7.4.25, up from 6.12.43.
Also tried the router thing but no joy there.

Just tried again to connect after detach / re-attach using https, I added http_debug flag to messages and get this

16-May-2017 10:08:17 [Citizen Science Grid] update requested by user
16-May-2017 10:08:19 [Citizen Science Grid] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
16-May-2017 10:08:19 [Citizen Science Grid] Requesting new tasks for CPU
16-May-2017 10:08:19 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] HTTP_OP::init_post(): http://csgrid.org/csg_cgi/cgi
16-May-2017 10:08:19 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Found bundle for host csgrid.org: 0x2e0bd98
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Connection 8504 seems to be dead!
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Closing connection 8504
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Adding handle: conn: 0x3066b58
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Adding handle: send: 0
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Adding handle: recv: 0
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Curl_addHandleToPipeline: length: 1
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: - Conn 8506 (0x3066b58) send_pipe: 1, recv_pipe: 0
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: About to connect() to csgrid.org port 80 (#8506)
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Trying 134.129.182.228...
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Connected to csgrid.org (134.129.182.228) port 80 (#8506)
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: POST /csg_cgi/cgi HTTP/1.1

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_intelx86 7.4.25)

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Host: csgrid.org

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept: */*

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_AU

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Content-Length: 8062

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Expect: 100-continue

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:

16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Empty reply from server
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Connection #8506 to host csgrid.org left intact
16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] HTTP error: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
16-May-2017 10:08:21 [Citizen Science Grid] Scheduler request failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
16-May-2017 10:10:05 [---] Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

Says I get an empty reply from the server, is this because my anti-virus is blocking the reply or the infomation is just not being sent to my computer?

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Message 7060 - Posted: 17 May 2017, 16:22:08 UTC - in response to Message 7059.

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16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] [ID#1] Info: Connected to csgrid.org (134.129.182.228) port 80 (#8506)
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16-May-2017 10:08:20 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] HTTP error: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)

One helpful piece of information might be whether the csg server is seeing the connection attempts from Conan's computer (identified by either IP or MAC address) ..
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Message 7065 - Posted: 21 May 2017, 22:56:07 UTC - in response to Message 7060.

Some responses from the BOINC mailing lists, maybe some of these help:

Probably Windows XP doesn't have the GlobalSign root certificate that
your website's certificate is signed with.

Ask if the user can access https://r1.globalsign.com/ from Internet
Explorer (Firefox and Chrome have their own root certificate lists, so
testing from those won't help). If not, maybe they should check if
they have the latest "Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP"
package installed from Windows Update.



Hi,

the 7.4 series Client contains its own truststore (ca-bundle.crt) and if
your root certificate is not part of this trust store the client can't
communicate with your project. In you case the root is part of the BOINC
truststore and the intermediate certificate is sent from the server. So
in theory it should work. We have seen no problems with SHA256 certified
certificates on Einstein.

The best way to debug is to activate http_debug on the Client to get
more information why the SSL handshake is failing. It might be that the
BOINC Client wants to use a cipher that is denied by your server config.

See my other emails to this subject:

https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2015-November/022110.html
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2015-November/022111.html
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/private/boinc_projects/2016-September/011838.html


Let me know if that helps!

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Message 7066 - Posted: 22 May 2017, 2:55:57 UTC - in response to Message 7065.
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Some thoughts:

Conan - your BONC is at 7.4.25, can you get it to 7.4.42? It is mentioned in the first of the listed posts as usable and stable (at least for the poster) for a similar problem related to certificates and ssl.

I say this because in looking through your output from turning on "http_debug" it shows

16-May-2017 10:08:19 [Citizen Science Grid] [http] HTTP_OP::init_post(): http://csgrid.org/csg_cgi/cgi

.. apparently sending a request to http rather than https (a even though you have already dropped and re-added the project with the https address - it may not be using the secure address and I'm hoping the upgrade might fix that).

Right now I'm still using the old http address so my http_debug info is not comparable. I'll get that rectified in a couple of days.

Beyond that, your output appears to show a valid initial connection to csgrid.org port 80, the sending of header information and nothing in response ( and why I'm wondering what the server sees and does, if anything ).

The only other thing I could suggest is turning on "http_xfer_debug" on the client for further information from that side. ( Debugging information about network communication )

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