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Message 155 - Posted: 24 Feb 2013, 11:24:36 UTC

Hello everyone, many Greatings from Ludwigshafen//Pfalz,Germany.


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Message 1903 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 12:38:08 UTC - in response to Message 155.

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Message 2210 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 18:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 155.

Hello!

I think it is really cool that people from all over the world are getting involved in this, I never would have expected that. The power of the internet is amazing :)

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Message 2211 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 18:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 2210.

It would be amazing to get some news. Maybe you can poke Travis with a stick from me?
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Message 2213 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 19:42:44 UTC - in response to Message 2210.

Oh don't worry. You guys should get a massive influx of volunteers around the end of December.

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Message 2236 - Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 2213.

Oh don't worry. You guys should get a massive influx of volunteers around the end of December.


Why is that ... ???

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Message 2237 - Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 17:29:57 UTC

The team I run is a group across many projects, from Folding@Home to any BOINC projects, plus more. A little over a week ago, we contacted three other groups and organised a massive competition which entails four stages, one of which is W@H. At the end of the second day, we already had about 500 people across the teams signing up, so a good chunk of those people should remain and sign up. Hopefully W@H can retain a few of those folks after the competition ends, too.

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Message 2241 - Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 14:29:48 UTC - in response to Message 2237.

The team I run is a group across many projects, from Folding@Home to any BOINC projects, plus more. A little over a week ago, we contacted three other groups and organised (sic) a massive competition which entails four stages, one of which is W@H. At the end of the second day, we already had about 500 people across the teams signing up, so a good chunk of those people should remain and sign up. Hopefully W@H can retain a few of those folks after the competition ends, too.


Absolutely the wrong project to include in a BOINC challenge.
In my opinion, you very certainly didn't think that one through.
1. Actual BOINC challenges use projects that have a known and reliable amount of Work Units available.
2. The specific use of language in marking video here requires familiarity with word meanings. Already I can spot viewers that think "Leave" means the same as "Absent". A huge influx of misinterpreted video markings is NOT going to help the project, it's scientists, or the volunteers that are here to make a difference.
3. Would you not have informed the Wildlife@Home project before making the decision?

Please keep us informed so I can STOP participating well before this ill-conceived challenge begins and remain absent for as many months as it takes to purge the videos of the massive problem reports.
I'm certain you will NOT be changing your mind in this or considering another viewpoint of volunteers like me or the negative effect on the project. Too bad for us.
I hope I have been able to contribute to the SCIENCE in this project .... it was interesting and engaging.
This is just MY OPINION. I'm new here and certainly not an expert.

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Message 2242 - Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 16:03:54 UTC

I have to agree with JJ, a whole lot of Mismarked Video's is all it will accomplish, as long as I know when it starts so I can drop out ...

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Message 2250 - Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 21:58:40 UTC
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The group who organised this within my team have set it in stone for the 22nd of December, if I remember correctly. I just had to approve it. Actually, it was because they had been talking about it that I found out about W@H in the first place.

Still, given that I've been around long enough to see how you guys react to accuracy issues, I will be personally taking every care to get people educated as much as possible.

As for your points, JJ:

1: W@H has a known and reliable amount of videos, as seen on the videos page.
2: Given that the participants are all from an English (US/UK/AU) community, and that an elaborate guide is in place, I doubt there will be language issues.
3: Yes. My forum's co-admin has already received the all clear from Travis.

I find both your reactions quite surprising, actually. This is simply bringing in more users. Those users can be completely useless, or they can be very useful. There's no guarantee. Just like there's no guarantee that random people who hear about this project through other means (such as myself) will be a positive or negative addition to the volunteers. Where was the guarantee that I would have been someone causing more harm than good to the project? No more or less than anyone else who joins.

As such, the outcome will not be that the project is hindered in accuracy. Or for that matter, improved in accuracy, either. It just means that we go through videos faster.

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Message 2252 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 2:48:51 UTC - in response to Message 2250.

I find both your reactions quite surprising, actually.

First, I think this is a great way to add more, much needed watchers. Travis should think about changing back to three validations per video for the race period. Or adding more video clip making computers to keep up with demand.

Second, I think the "reactions" have some legitimate concerns. Especially with the race for points aspect.

I wonder if W@H is out of alpha? Did Travis say anything about being in beta when he OKed the race?

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Message 2253 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 2:58:27 UTC - in response to Message 2250.

Thanks for answering some of my points and thanks for the heads up on the date.
Still, when I think of "contests" or "challenges", whether team or project, I think of WU (Work Units) available for each contestants computers. I didn't consider the watching these Video's as challenge or contest material, but rather I see the video viewing as a service to the Project, to be done as accurately as possible. (I'm still making lots of mistakes.) .... and yes, accuracy IS an issue or the Project would not be keeping track of it.

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Message 2254 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 6:44:00 UTC
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I find both your reactions quite surprising, actually


I don't have anything against New Bird Watching Members & am all for it, My Concern is with so many at Once, what are we talking about 500+. There's no way your going to Educate 500+ People, getting here & actually Viewing & Marking the Video's is the only way to Educate them thru Trial & Error just like everybody else that starts watching the Video's.

You yourself have said several times in Posts that Accuracy isn't your greatest Concern but putting out Massive amounts of Video's is at the top of your list. I assume since it's a Challenge putting out Massive Amounts of Video's for the Points will be at the Top of the Challenge Participants List too with Accuracy taking a back seat.

Being it's a Challenge are they going to be Patient enough to sit thru the entire Video or are they going to just Zoom thru them with the Slider to get the Points & miss things ??? I know now if I see a Consistent Mistake a New Participant makes I'll send them a PM telling them about the Mistake their making. With that many New Viewers you won't see enough of a single person to pick up on a Frequent Mistake that they may make ...

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Message 2256 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 7:24:10 UTC - in response to Message 2252.

I find both your reactions quite surprising, actually.

First, I think this is a great way to add more, much needed watchers. Travis should think about changing back to three validations per video for the race period. Or adding more video clip making computers to keep up with demand.

Second, I think the "reactions" have some legitimate concerns. Especially with the race for points aspect.

I wonder if W@H is out of alpha? Did Travis say anything about being in beta when he OKed the race?


I am insisting to my group that one of the requirements is that people need an accuracy of over 90%, for any of their points to count. While the competition encourages the racing behaviour which would be bad for the project, placing restrictions like these should help alleviate this issue and force people to actually take some care in what they do.

As for three validations per video, I definitely agree with that, and have been in support of that for a very long time.

I think Travis was first contacted and gave the green light around August or September.

Thanks for answering some of my points and thanks for the heads up on the date.
Still, when I think of "contests" or "challenges", whether team or project, I think of WU (Work Units) available for each contestants computers. I didn't consider the watching these Video's as challenge or contest material, but rather I see the video viewing as a service to the Project, to be done as accurately as possible. (I'm still making lots of mistakes.) .... and yes, accuracy IS an issue or the Project would not be keeping track of it.


Well the thing is that we are already contributing to Rosetta@Home for one of the phases. Each phase was supposed to be unique, so that you're contributing to something worthwhile, but in different ways. This is because not everyone has a good computer, but might have a lot of free time, for instance.

Mind you, I never said here that accuracy is a non-issue. Just that in the grand scheme of things, it really wouldn't be affected. Perhaps there might be a spike in inaccurate ratings, just until everyone has done a few videos, but after that, it's smooth sailing. Or perhaps smooth speedboating. I'll be doing my part to make sure this spike is as small as possible, and all I can really hope from you folks is that you at least see if it gets as bad as you are thinking it will be, before taking a vacation. Remember, if it is as bad as you are thinking, more experience people will need to be submitting observations to saturate the reports and keep the videos as accurate as possible.

I find both your reactions quite surprising, actually


I don't have anything against New Bird Watching Members & am all for it, My Concern is with so many at Once, what are we talking about 500+. There's no way your going to Educate 500+ People, getting here & actually Viewing & Marking the Video's is the only way to Educate them thru Trial & Error just like everybody else that starts watching the Video's.

You yourself have said several times in Posts that Accuracy isn't your greatest Concern but putting out Massive amounts of Video's is at the top of your list. I assume since it's a Challenge putting out Massive Amounts of Video's for the Points will be at the Top of the Challenge Participants List too with Accuracy taking a back seat.

Being it's a Challenge are they going to be Patient enough to sit thru the entire Video or are they going to just Zoom thru them to get the Points & miss things ??? I know now if I see a Consistent Mistake a New Participant makes I'll send them a PM telling them about the Mistake their making. With that many New Viewers you won't see enough of a single person to pick up on a Frequent Mistake that they may make ...


Which is why like I mentioned above that I will be making sure that there are restrictions that would keep people on their toes, to minimize this.

In all likelihood, I'm going to try and link some videos as examples to show the little things people need to look out for, like that tiny little movement in the nest that indicates parent presence and such (this is partly why I've asked on the forums what criteria needs to be met for certain events). I'm going to make sure that the guide we have for this is purposefully long. If people aren't able to read through a long guide, they won't be able to watch even a few 3 minute videos, and we definitely don't need people like that.

For the record, I've mentioned that neither accuracy nor points are my concern. I'm simply an avid bird lover. I have nothing to prove here, because, forgive my arrogance, I have plenty of other things that I could use to flaunt my ego with. Note the word 'could'. Regardless, it doesn't mean I'd throw caution to the wind. Otherwise, what's the point?

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Message 2258 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 7:59:09 UTC - in response to Message 2256.

We definitely appreciate your concerns (and any help you can have in aiding new users correctly watch video).

I'm hoping to have the new interface fully up and running by then -- which I'm hoping will actually alleviate a lot of these problems. I just made a news post about it and I'd love to get some feedback.

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Message 2270 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 13:55:55 UTC
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Perhaps there might be a spike in inaccurate ratings, just until everyone has done a few videos, but after that, it's smooth sailing


I've watched close to 60,000 Video's, that's just the ones I've Marked mind you, you can probably add another 5,000-10,000 Video's that I re-watched I don't know how many times & still haven't Marked them because I simply don't know 1 way or the other whether the Bird is there or not.

I still find a lot of Video's hard to determine one way or the other because of the Darkness of the Video or the Waving Brush or whatever, so I don't think it's actually ever all that smooth sailing when viewing the Video's.

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Message 2278 - Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 16:33:53 UTC - in response to Message 2270.

Perhaps there might be a spike in inaccurate ratings, just until everyone has done a few videos, but after that, it's smooth sailing


I've watched close to 60,000 Video's, that's just the ones I've Marked mind you, you can probably add another 5,000-10,000 Video's that I re-watched I don't know how many times & still haven't Marked them because I simply don't know 1 way or the other whether the Bird is there or not.

I still find a lot of Video's hard to determine one way or the other because of the Darkness of the Video or the Waving Brush or whatever, so I don't think it's actually ever all that smooth sailing when viewing the Video's.


I'm hoping the new interface will help with a lot of that. With the smaller video clips it can be pretty impossible to tell if a bird is there or not. When you're working with the full videos (which are usually around 2 hours), there's a much greater chance of being able to pick out some obvious bird movement, because you have a lot more time to work with.

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Message 4909 - Posted: 18 Dec 2014, 7:43:51 UTC

Hello everyone, many Greetings from Ludwigshafen//Pfalz,Germany again.

Today I start by Project Citizen Science Grid as Newbie.

I look what I can do here.

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I just signed up today. Will be reading on how to participate and contribute towards this community. Hope I'm welcomed here.

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Message 6958 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 12:19:01 UTC - in response to Message 155.

Ludwigshafen...as in ..Mannheim/Ludwigshofen? I spent two years there. Wunderbar. Scloss Heidelberg, Viernheim, Weinheim, had a great time.

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